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Offline Bill

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new system recommedations
« on: Jun 27, 2012, 02:20 PM »
I haven't looked at new parts and technology in a long time and have no real idea what's current.
Some thoughts:  I'd like to stick with my Antec case, an AMB 3700 which is medium size.  The SSD, raptor 150g can both carry forward and I'm willing to try the antec 550w psu in the new build. If that is a problem I can get a new one at that point.  I have 2 working notebooks, one xp and a sony win 7 which I am trying to update and add email to for a temporary main unit, so I am not out of touch.

Intel is my preferred processor and Gigabyte my favored MB.  I'd like to select the fastest ram possible and a new graphics card.  Maybe an updated DVD writer although the samsung in the case now works fine.

Also any thoughts on 120mm fans (quiet and reliable)

I don't see any real reason to upgrade win7 to 64 so will reinstall my 32bit
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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #1 on: Jun 27, 2012, 04:09 PM »
I have not looked recently for a new build, but I would want the latest features, such as USB 3.0, built-in wireless, etc., along with plenty of SATA and on-board USB connections. I would also consider on-board video as a backup, just in case the main video card fails. I've noticed a shift toward micro-ATX motherboards in high-speed systems, so it's something to consider if you don't need a lot of expansion.

I'm not entirely sure if I would want a new optical drive, but if so my preference would be for a writable Blu-Ray. But I find that I very rarely have a need for an optical drive anymore.

If you want an Intel system, you may as well go with the fastest Ivy Bridge (22nm) you can afford. For a heat sink/fan, I've already decided my next will be a Noctua (probably the NH-L12).

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #2 on: Jun 27, 2012, 05:11 PM »
Look, I'm not going to fall for this again.  I remember when Bill wanted a TV, and we went round and round on whether to go with plasma or LED or LCD or CRT or whatever.  And then he had us jumping through hoops and Best Buys on an add-on sound system, of which I do not recall him ever proclaiming that he even wound up going, for.  For which he went, going.  Whatever that is, grammatically.

So no, I'm not about to fall for the "Oh, tell me what I should buy" ploy again.  First off, I find it cowardly to have a pc fail and give up on it, in the same dang day.  For crying out loud, I've gone months booting and rebooting and watching the mobo lights flicker and die.  And yank switch shove RAM repeatedly.  And try the other video card then the other one then the other one then both then the other one, again.  And dink around in BIOS.  And vacuum and plug and punch and shake and all manner of attempts.  To rescuscitate a dying dead machine.  Geez, I do not have a clue on how to spell rescuscitate. 

If I was to offer a suggestion, I'd say be careful if you buy a used motherboard from Scuzzy.  I still have nightmares of replacing a PSU, so I'd just as soon cook a batch of linguini and try to hook it up.  Get a good floppy drive; you can't tell me those things aren't going to make a big comeback.  And a modem; you never know when some Colorado fly by night wireless radar cell tower fake ISP is gonna come to your town, for a few months.  Then bail.  So you might want to do dial-up.  Although you'd have to shoot me, to go back there.  And then I probably wouldn't.  Or, wouldn't care.

As far as laptops and iPads and the like; you guys can have them.  As one who needs a full sized keyboard, and monitor, and mouse, to function at all, I figure one might as well add on that black box on the floor and complete the deal.  Plus speakers, so that grenades and gunfire sound realistic when you're absorbing them. 

Ace; heck, I'd go with a jumbo ATX.  Who wants some dinky micro thingy.  I need all the wiggle room I can get, and I still scrape my knuckles every time I try to fidget with some glitchy hardware.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #3 on: Jun 28, 2012, 07:21 AM »
As a step toward a new system I ordered a new Antec PSU -BP550 Modular 550w  and plan on trying it in the 'old' system to see if that's the problem as Scuzzy suggested.  If not then it won't go to waste. 

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #4 on: Jul 01, 2012, 02:00 PM »
How's it going, Bill? Any closer to any solutions, one way or the other?

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #5 on: Jul 01, 2012, 02:56 PM »
I am still awaiting delivery of the new PSU, should be here Tuesday 7/3.  I have done nothing further with the system other than unplug it.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #6 on: Jul 01, 2012, 04:47 PM »
If you have more than one memory module, you could remove one, one at a time and see if that is the problem.

Not sure what you are using your system for or what sort of budget you have in mind?

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #7 on: Jul 02, 2012, 08:55 AM »
Pat, the system won't stay on long enough to do anything, most efforts to re-boot don't get as far as the desktop.  Budget is not really an issue but I use this for email, banking, a little gaming and general browsing.  Not sure yet if I really will have to build from scratch but if it's not the PSU, that's what I plan to do.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #8 on: Jul 03, 2012, 06:51 AM »
The PSU arrived a day early and I installed yesterday but ran out of time to test.  This morning the machine is back under the desk and all seems to be well.  Thanks Scuzzy for your suggestion!  Guess I can postpone a new build for a while, I really wasn't looking forward to doing it again.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #9 on: Jul 03, 2012, 07:00 AM »
Dang it. I was looking forward to building a new computer at your expense.

Scuzzy; I'm glad it's working. :)

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #10 on: Jul 03, 2012, 08:46 AM »
First off, let me say "your welcome."  I have searched all over this new system poast chain, and I do not see any mention by Scuzzy of a recommendation to replace your power supply.  I, however, did specifically note that I am adverse to ever attempting again to replace a PSU, and that I compared it to wiring linguini.  So, it would seem to be my suggestion to not attempt to mess with your power supply, which apparently did prove to be the culprit, so credit to me for mentioning that. 

Pat should probably get some credit for mentioning removing memory, one at a time, in sequence.  As I recall, that worked to disable HAL in 2001, A Space Odyssey, which was about a year after all of those millenium scares. 

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #11 on: Jul 03, 2012, 10:45 AM »
Scuzzy's suggestion was in the initial poast about my system shutting down.  I'm going back there because there is a continuing issue.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #12 on: Jul 03, 2012, 10:57 AM »
Well, yes.  Of course.  He mentioned it there.  Shoot, I knew that.

This thing is hop skip and jumping more than one of my misdirection broken chain links.  I don't know if I should just wait here, figuring he'll get the thing straightened out and still want a new one, or it stays broken so he leaves that topic and comes back, or Janis Ian shows up here.

Ace; I should go home and see if my computer works.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #13 on: Jul 03, 2012, 03:42 PM »
I've been looking for a gigabyte ATX M/B to pair with this CPU:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504; an Ivy bridge requiring a z77 Northbridge and the Noctura  NH-L12. Noctura publishes a list compatible boards but one must also select memory that is compatible with the M/B, cpu and the cooler -enough to make my head spin.  I found one that looked OK but got less than stellar reviews on Newegg (Amazon was $15 cheaper).  So back to square one on the M/B.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #14 on: Jul 04, 2012, 03:37 PM »
Here are initial selections for a new system. I'm going to use my Antec AMB 3700 case (medium tower) new Antec 550w PSU and DVD drive and add:

Intel Core i5 3570 cpu 3.4 Ghz LGA1155 (Amazon)

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard  (newegg)

Noctua NH-L12 120mm & 92mm SSO Bearing PWM Fans CPU Cooler (newegg)

Noctua NF-S12B FLX 120mm, 3 Speed Setting, Beveled Blade Tips Design, SSO Bearing Fan (2) (newegg)

Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9AD3K2/4G  (amazon)

EVGA 02G-P4-2645-KR GeForce GT 640 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card (newegg)

In many cases Amazon is cheaper but I did my shopping at newegg and seemed to be nomenclature difference between the two sites.
And in the case of the M/B newegg is cheaper. 

Any thoughts or recommendations .  The video card has 2 DVI connectors which will allow me to use my existing monitors, but it's kind of middle of the road.  I'm not heavy into games, but I am also uncertain about the new onboard video capability of the Ivy bridge cpu.

Thanks,

Bill
 
Edited to correct venders.
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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #15 on: Jul 04, 2012, 03:46 PM »
Looks like nice picks, Bill. That GT 640 should kick Ace's tin can all over the place. It looks compact and should work great for your needs. I'm very happy with my EVGA GTX 560. I like that it's barely audible, if at all, and its performance is top notch.

The Ivy Bridge CPU should serve you quite well for years to come, especially with that Noctua heat sink to keep it cool.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #16 on: Jul 04, 2012, 04:18 PM »
Good, I'm glad you agree, I'm ordering later,

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #17 on: Jul 04, 2012, 04:58 PM »
Before you order, have you considered the possibility of a fan-less video card?

I'm off to work and don't have time to look, but thought I'd toss it out there.

Scuzzy; I'd like to toss Ace out there too.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #18 on: Jul 04, 2012, 07:49 PM »
No, I didn't.  Quiet is not my top priority, I was looking for a compatible single bay card that would be a step up but accommodate my monitors.  As it is, this s/b a pretty quiet system.  I'm going to remove the third HD, a WD 80g sata that has been around the block a couple of times and that alone should lower the decibel level.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #19 on: Jul 05, 2012, 11:40 AM »
Should be good, I'm not as well versed on Intel offerings as AMD. I've always used AMD as the price to performance difference, for my needs, has always favored AMD.

I see you are reusing your Windows 7, is it an OEM version or retail?
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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #20 on: Jul 05, 2012, 12:19 PM »
To be honest Pat, I don't remember, but it works.  It's 32 bit which I chose because of a legacy program I use, only to find out it simply won't run on 7.  Its on my XP notebook, not as convenient but it works.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #21 on: Jul 06, 2012, 06:34 AM »
Both Newegg and Amazon orders shipped yesterday.  Amazon using USPS with an estimated arrival on Sat., Newegg using Fedex with a Monday arrival.  Amazon coming from Charlotte NC and Newegg from Edison NJ.  I redistributed the items between the two vendors because the Noctua stuff was coming from Amazon "partners", delaying delivery, while Newegg had them in stock. 

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #22 on: Jul 06, 2012, 08:27 AM »
Wait! Bill! Hold it!  I just figured out what was wrong with your system and how to fix it!  Hold on..

Shoot.

Ace; never mind.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #23 on: Jul 06, 2012, 10:17 AM »
LOL! You're too much!

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #24 on: Jul 07, 2012, 08:28 AM »
Yes Ace, you actually did!

But now, what to do?  Today and Monday the new parts arrrive.  Do I wait to restore my old system and then return them all or pile them in a corner until I need them. or...?

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #25 on: Jul 07, 2012, 09:16 AM »
If you really don't want that stuff, just refuse the packages. They will go back with no shipping charges and no restocking fees. At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works with newegg and most likely Amazon, but you may want to check to be sure.
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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #26 on: Jul 07, 2012, 09:54 AM »
Well, I feel somewhat responsible.  Which is unusual, since I'm typically irresponsible.

Look, here's another suggestion; just go ahead and forward the new stuff to me.  I could probably try to figure out what they are, and find some use to them.  I've always gone AMD too, but I bet I could just bend some stuff and make an Intel work if I had to on my board.  Or run two; that'd be fast, I would think.

Ace; I'm probably going to try a spray bottle of isopropyl alcohol and clean my system.  Or mixed in lemonade.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #27 on: Jul 07, 2012, 11:20 AM »
Yes JA, that's what I've decided.  Before I order what's required to finish my "Cray", I'm going to make certain the cpu in the old system isn't fried, hopefully it isn't.  But I just cannot leave the new stuff in a corner.  If by chance something isn't right, I'd lose the RMA opportunity.  So I'm going to start looking for a case, an O/S, more memory and a new SSD.

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #28 on: Jul 08, 2012, 11:38 AM »
I've decided to complete the new machine regardless of the outcome with the old one. 
Today I ordered the balance of the necessary stuff:

Antec Sonata Series SOLO II Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model (total now of 8gs)

Plextor M3 Pro Series PX-128M3P 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC 7mm Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

Should be interesting.....

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Re: new system recommedations
« Reply #29 on: Jul 08, 2012, 11:43 AM »
AAAaugh!!! You beat me to the Plextor Pro SDD! I've been considering ordering one for my current system.

Actually, I'm happy for you. Good move on the 64-bit OS, too.

Scuzzy; and nice case.