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thinking about new build
« on: Aug 12, 2017, 02:12 PM »
Starting with:
ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming/AURA LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Motherboards - Intel

Supports W7
and maybe one of these:
Intel Core i5-6400 6 MB Skylake Quad-Core 2.7 GHz LGA 1151 65W BX80662I56400 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530
or
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561&cm_re=i5_6600k-_-19-117-561-_-Product

But in the very early stages.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #1 on: Aug 12, 2017, 02:33 PM »
Hooray! New builds are always fun, despite being a lot of work. :)

My first thought was whether your build would support W7, but looks like you covered that base. Make sure you do the same with every part going forward, including the case. Lol

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #2 on: Aug 12, 2017, 02:50 PM »
I went back to check on the age of my current rig, turns out it's 8 yrs. old.
Thinking about water cooler, friend swears by them:

www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=maelstrom+water+cooler+120t&N=-1&isNodeId=1
Haven't looked at cases yet, maybe one of the mid size Fractals.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #3 on: Aug 12, 2017, 04:23 PM »
I dunno about water cooled systems. I have nothing against them, but air cooled has worked well for me. This Noctua NH-D14 120mm & 140mm SSO CPU Cooler has been excellent in both of my latest builds and are nearly perfectly silent.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #4 on: Aug 12, 2017, 07:14 PM »
Yesterday and today I spent a lot of time cleaning our office, to include disassembling the computers from their current locations to clean them out. While going through that process I thought to myself that I probably wouldn't do a new build today, but instead get 2 high powered laptops to replace the desktops.

I have not fully thought that plan out, as I don't currently have a need. But if I did need to replace any of my two systems, it would be at the top of my mind. During the last few months of my job in the Tech Team, my assigned laptop was connected to a 24" HD monitor, and I used a Bluetooth keyboard and Bluetooth mouse. The combination worked as well as any desktop system for my needs, and I could continue to transport my laptop for use in my patrol car.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #5 on: Aug 13, 2017, 08:34 AM »
I really have no love for laptops although the bluetooth keyboard eliminates one of my dislikes.  But, I think the likelihood of finding a current, high power one with Win 7 is very low.   

I think I'll stick to the desktop variety.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #6 on: Aug 13, 2017, 09:02 AM »
Finding a quality laptop with Win7 these days would certainly be challenging. Either way, you have to do what works best for you.

Besides, putting together a good build is rewarding. As I opened up my builds to execute the dust bunnies, I was reminded of how pleased I am with the work I did. :)

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #7 on: Aug 13, 2017, 09:07 AM »
I've been looking at cases and the new version of the Fractal case looks pretty sweet.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352056&ignorebbr=1

I recall you had a problem mounting the SSD needing a straight cable.  Could you have flipped the SSD, twisted the cables and mounted that way?  Did the Seasonic PSU not have straight power connectors?
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #8 on: Aug 13, 2017, 09:27 AM »
Turning my SSD 180 degrees would have only turned it upside-down, and flipping it completely around (belly side up) is not a mounting option. I remember using small washers as shims to lift the SSD away from the motherboard, which resolved the problem with the power connector. The washers also provided added cooling by lifting the SSD away from the tray. I could have used one of the HDD cages to mount the SSD, but I wanted a cleaner installation by mounting the SSD behind the mobo and by removing the HDD cages. My wife's build has 2 SSDs mounted behind the mobo, whereas mine has only 1 mounted with one external (USB3).

BTW: Due to mounting locations, it was important to mount the SSD prior to mounting the power supply. I don't recall the details, but think it through to avoid needlessly disassembling and reassembling things.

These photos might help: Wife's Intel Z97 i5-4690K Build

I'm thinking M.2 NVMe has matured by now. Is that not an option for the mobo you selected?

The R5 is close to identical in looks to my R4. I have been exceptionally pleased with the R4 and would not think twice about using it again. My R4 is also pretty close to perfectly silent with the fans set to medium speed.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #9 on: Aug 13, 2017, 09:55 AM »
Ah, I went back and found it...

To install, remove or reinstall the SSD you must first remove the power supply and motherboard.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #10 on: Aug 13, 2017, 09:57 AM »
Thanks for that, probably saved me tearing it apart.
M2 sata/ PCIe  are both supported by this Asus board.  I have to do more research, I haven't looked at that since your last build.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #11 on: Aug 13, 2017, 10:00 AM »
In reference to mounting the SSD, this little blurb from a previous poast might help:


"I removed the motherboard and PSU to remount the SSD. I found some longer screws, and then used aluminum rivet washers as spacers. It worked out perfectly and added nearly 1/4" space between the SSD and the mounting tray. I like this better, as it allows a space for cooling behind the SSD. The connectors are nice and secure.

I also moved the SSD higher up, just in case I have to remove it again. This way I won't have to remove the PSU the next time around."

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #12 on: Aug 13, 2017, 10:21 AM »
A very quick look yields the Samsung 960 Pro M2 voted best in class.  Reviewers of the Asus board verify M2 boot capability and it uses an "M" key slot which the Samsung has.  Thanks for reminding me.  This just became a lot more exciting!!  500g for $235

http://newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=samsung+960+evo+m.2&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #13 on: Aug 13, 2017, 10:29 AM »
Per your link, the 960 "EVO" 500GB is $234, and the "PRO" 512GB is $330.

This blurb from one of the reviewers might be worth noting:

"M.2 form factor is convoluted to understand. Some ports support NVMe (PCI-E) only, some support SATA only, and some support both. The trouble is, this information is not always made clear to consumers and it often requires extensive searching to determine what standard(s) your M.2 slot(s) support."

FWIW: The mobo you're considering supports both, so it's probably a moot point.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #14 on: Aug 13, 2017, 11:13 AM »
I did a comparison of the Pro and the EVO M2, seems the Pro is a little faster.  But PCIe gets rid of one of the classic bottlenecks and a couple of cables.
It also eliminates the need for the HD cage completely.
I'm thinking the 500gig version will suffice, I don't store a lot of stuff. Right now my SSD C: has about 70 gigs and the VRaptor has 60 gigs, leaving lots of space on the M2.
Backups can go on an external SSD I already have.

As of now the price tag is about $1000., without the cooler and video card.   The cooler I picked in an earlier poast.  The video card remains the question. I don't game, nor photoshop but it needs to support at least 1 DVI (preferably 2) and 1 HDMI for my two monitors.
I am looking at an Nvidia GForce GTX 960 but I am open to any other ideas.
EDIT turns out that's what you used, but Newegg is out of stock, maybe its been replaced.?
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #15 on: Aug 13, 2017, 11:29 AM »
If I were building today I'd go with the onboard graphics, which is what I did with my wife's build. The onboard graphics on my mobo supports HDMI, DVI-D, RGB, and DisplayPort ports, so multiple monitors would work fine.

I don't game or do any significant video editing, so I have not been able to take full advantage of the GTX 960. The onboard graphics on my wife's system is more than adequate, even when doing photo edits. For most everything I cannot distinguish a difference in video performance between our systems. I think I needlessly wasted money by buying a graphics card.

I'm sorry I don't recall. I know you considered water cooled, but what specific CPU cooler do you have in mind?

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #16 on: Aug 13, 2017, 11:38 AM »
That thought crossed my mind once or twice.  The onboard video on the Asus board has all the right connectors as well. I could always add a video card later if necessary.  It would also save me $300 +/-.  I think that makes sense.

This is the cooler:
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6J35S10074&cm_re=Maelstrom_120-_-13C-002K-00037-_-Product

I could mount this on one of the top of case vents.
The only downside is it ships from Hong Kong.

This cooler would bring the unit price to $1100, give or take.

Going to take a couple of days and think on this. Also going to wait for the next credit card billing cycle. I want to clear the ECO first.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #17 on: Aug 13, 2017, 11:49 AM »
At the time of my builds, I bought the GTX 960 without giving too much thought for its necessity. It really wasn't until I had both systems fully running when I realized I didn't really have the need for the card, even with 2 monitors running. Thankfully I didn't buy 2 cards.

If you find yourself really wanting a card, I can always send you mine. I seriously doubt that I'll notice a difference anyway.

Nice thing about that liquid cooler is that it's not nearly as bulky as the air cooled solution I have.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #18 on: Aug 13, 2017, 11:53 AM »
My Aussie friend has 4 rigs all running this cooler and he swears it's the best.  Also the piping, he says, is more flexible than other brands.

Thanks for all your help.  Ordering maybe end of the week or next.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #19 on: Aug 13, 2017, 12:04 PM »
Sounds like you're off to a good start. :)

I absolutely love my Fractal R4 case. The top-mounted USB ports can be a little challenging to use, but that's mostly due to the clearance available on my desk. It would have helped if the ports had been mounted at a forward facing angle, but not a deal breaker by any means. There was the SSD mounting issue, but hopefully my experience will make it a non-issue for you.

Be aware that the case is a little on the beefy side, so you may want to carefully consider the dimensions to ensure it will work for you.

Also, I would definitely get the Seasonic fanless PSU again. I have no complaints.

BTW: I'm supposing you noticed the sale on the i5 CPU ends in 4 days, and that it has a promo code (EMCRJBR24) that expires in 3 days.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #20 on: Aug 13, 2017, 12:49 PM »
Thanks for that info.  I have plenty of room for the case under the desk.  I looked at the Fanless models but I couldn't find anything larger than 520W. The Seasonic I picked, also modular, is 700+W.  Better safe than sorry.

EDIT: I ordered the cooler.  Coming from Hong Kong could be a 2-3 week delivery.  I'm hoping it will be by the time I order the rest.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #21 on: Aug 14, 2017, 02:17 PM »
RE: onboard video

I checked the spec. sheet on your wife's system.  It says 16gigs of ram?  I am assuming you used 8gigs.  Do you think that her system would benefit from more ram.  Her mobo specs. say maximum shared memory: 512 MB.  My mobo specs. quote "shared memory" of 1024MB, which is probably not enough to matter.
But I thought I'd ask........

I found some  G Skill RipJaws 2133 DDR 4 for about $72 and added it to the list.  (I can overclock the RAM on this board but I don't think I would.)

I'm getting closer... maybe even tomorrow, sales end soon.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #22 on: Aug 14, 2017, 03:44 PM »
My wife's system, as well as mine, each have 2 sticks of 8GB RAM for a total of 16GB per system. Her system is currently showing 15.7GB usable; mine shows the entire 16GB. I'm fairly confident adding RAM to her system will not yield any noticeable performance, since it performs so well as it is.

I did notice the promo code expiring on the CPU tomorrow.

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« Reply #23 on: Aug 14, 2017, 05:09 PM »
Thanks for that, I just changed my order to 16gigs of G Skill Ripjaws 2133.   And to be sure I don't miss anything I placed the order with Newegg.


1 x ($239.99) Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I56600K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530
$239.99

1 x ($234.00) SAMSUNG 960 EVO M.2 500GB NVMe PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V6E500BW
$234.00

1 x ($154.99) ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming/AURA LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 USB 3.0 ATX Motherboards - Intel
$154.99



1 x ($129.99) G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Intel Z170 Platform / Intel X99 Platform Desktop Memory Model F4-2133C15D-16GVR
$129.99

1 x ($109.99) Fractal Design Define R5 Blackout Silent ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$109.99

1 x ($89.99) Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-650FX 650W 80+ Gold ATX12V & EPS12V Full Modular 120mm FDB Fan Compact 140mm Size Power Supply
$89.99

1 x ($19.99) ASUS DVD-Writer 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24F1ST
$19.99

Subtotal:   $978.94

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #24 on: Aug 14, 2017, 06:11 PM »
Wow. Looks really good, and the price is palatable. I'm looking forward to your experience with the M.2 SSD. I don't think you'll regret leaving out a graphics card, but at least it's an easy fix should you change your mind.

Only 2 things popped into my mind...

1. Will you have a need for a card reader?

2. I take it you're ordering the liquid CPU cooler separately?

Scuzzy; have you considered installing seat belts and getting a crash helmet?

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #25 on: Aug 14, 2017, 06:19 PM »
Thanks, I ordered the cooler yesterday.  I have never used a card reader. I guess I could add it if I need it in the future.
I am anxious to try the M2 as well.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #26 on: Aug 15, 2017, 09:47 AM »
No doubt you're sticking with Windows 7, which I fully endorse.  ;D

I know you've put off system updates, but I'd like to suggest that when you install W7 on your new system that you fully update W7 to the bitter end. Once you have all the updates, you can turn off future updates if you wish. You will still be able to fully manage if/how updates are installed, as that has not changed in W7.

I keep my W7 laptop fully updated, and it has not been an issue. It is nothing like W10, which forces updates up my nose whether I like it or not. The difference with W7 is that updates are now issued in groups, which can potentially be harder to diagnose if a particular update gives you a problem. This is not something that is likely to occur in a fresh build, or in a system that is maintained fairly clean. BTW: .NET Framework updates continue to be separate updates, if that's a concern. Either way, I've installed all the updates on my laptop without any issues.

I share your concern with Microsoft's direction, but there really isn't a comparison between updates in W7 & W10. Even if you don't want future updates, I still recommend fully updating it now. Especially if you plan to continue using W7 safely for years to come.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #27 on: Aug 15, 2017, 10:19 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts.  The updates on your laptop sounds like good news.  Updates are on my agenda for the new install, for a while.  I understand there are a couple of cumulative update files which should make the process easier/shorter.  Once I get the system up to date, I may well turn them off again.  Sort of depends on how it behaves.
I am really glad I bought a new Win 7 disc a couple of years ago, finding one today might be a bit dicey.

This morning I received Newegg invoices for the system and the cooler, so we are a step closer. No indication when either is going to ship.   

I also haven't heard from Wesson about when they're going to return the ECO, I am expecting an email notice today.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #28 on: Aug 15, 2017, 10:30 AM »
The cumulative updates are smoother than before, but you'll probably still go through the initial pain of "updates on top of updates" during your fresh install. I have not tried since the W7 failure on my main systems, so I don't know for sure. Regardless, once it's all updated it's easy from there on. From my W7 laptop experience so far, I have no reason to turn the updates off. I wish I could say the same for W10.

Sounds like you'll have to be a bit patient. :) I am looking forward to hearing of your M.2 experience. That remains an option for my 2 builds, although reality is they remain stinkin' fast.

I was getting ready to ask about the status of your ECO.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #29 on: Aug 15, 2017, 10:40 AM »
The last notice I had from Wesson included a nicely phrased "please be patient, we're working on your gun.  Please allow us this time."
But for how long???
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