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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #30 on: Aug 15, 2017, 10:53 AM »
Hopefully you'll know something soon.

I just remembered that when I first got my laptops (I bought 2 if you remember; the first for my daughter), both gave me a bit of an issue with the W7 updates. Somewhere in the update process, I literally had to leave the updates running overnight. Both laptops were stuck in Update Hell in which nothing seemed to be happening. All was fine afterward, but that was frustrating.

Hopefully it's not something you'll experience. If so, just run it overnight. If memory serves me well, the "stuck updates" took 8 to 12 hours to download and install.

Here it is. Apparently it took even longer than I thought: DELL Latitude E7240 UltraBook

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #31 on: Aug 15, 2017, 11:11 AM »
Now that you mentioned it, I remember that episode of updates.  I hope MS it better now for Win 7.  I noticed in the linked thread that you mentioned MS Security Essentials.  I recall that MSSE used to be laughed at, today it is the security program of choice for many, including me.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #32 on: Aug 15, 2017, 11:14 AM »
MSSE is all the antivirus I need. I also use Malwarebytes Premium, which I will renew later this year. The two together provide excellent security.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #33 on: Aug 15, 2017, 11:41 AM »
Newegg just sent tracking #s for the main system parts, and the case separately.  So I'd guess it will ship tonight, tracking effective tomorrow!  Pretty decent service.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #34 on: Aug 16, 2017, 07:37 AM »
FedEx tracking says system parts and case will be here tomorrow -Thursday!  :D
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #35 on: Aug 16, 2017, 08:52 AM »
Hooray! If the CPU cooler is the only thing you're waiting on, will you be able to complete the build until the part arrives? Or does the motherboard need to be out?

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #36 on: Aug 16, 2017, 09:36 AM »
Yes, the mobo needs to be out to attach the cooler backplate.  And it shipped and is "in transit".
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #37 on: Aug 17, 2017, 10:16 AM »
Everything except the cooler arrives today.  Cooler left Hong Kong yesterday.  Yes, trying to be patient.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #38 on: Aug 17, 2017, 11:19 AM »
You can always install the PSU, the CD/DVD burner, and the motherboard stand-offs if you want to get a head start. :)

Which reminds me... have you considered converting your external SSD to an internal and mounting it behind the mobo?

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #39 on: Aug 17, 2017, 04:50 PM »
Those are good ideas, for the foreseeable future I think the ECO is going to take up some time.  But if I have some quiet time I can start that way.

I think my external is not an SSD.  It has no connectors except a USB cable.  I also, at least at the moment, think the 500gb M2 will be move than enough.  I can use the external for backup storage.  I've been recommended a new to me backup program called Casper that I'm going to try. It's supposed to be easier and quicker than EaseUS and Macrium Reflect.  We'll see.  And thanks.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #40 on: Aug 17, 2017, 04:55 PM »
Casper looks interesting. I'll have to poke at it when I get some time.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #41 on: Aug 18, 2017, 08:49 AM »
But to your original point, Newegg Sale this morning, I ordered a Samsung EVO 250gig.  I hope Fractal has solved the 90d connection problem.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #42 on: Aug 18, 2017, 08:57 AM »
Last evening I unboxed the Fractal case and read the user manual.  I 'm impressed, kudos to you for finding these.  The plan now, as you suggested, is to get started slowly. First order of business is to remove the HD cages.  And hopefully a couple of pounds in the process....
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #43 on: Aug 18, 2017, 10:04 AM »
If the SSD still mounts flat against the tray, then both the power and the SATA connectors will need to be straight. Either way, I would still suggest using aluminum rivet washers and longer screws to create space. In my builds I was able to create about 1/4" of space between the tray and the SSD.

I remain very pleased with my Fractal cases. I prefer my R4 over my wife's Arc Midi R2, but both are awesome. Internally they are nearly exactly the same, and removing the HDD cages was easy enough.

Since you are going to have both M.2 SSD & standard SATA SSD, I suggest that you leave the SATA SSD unplugged until after your OS is up and running. That will avoid any confusion on where the OS gets installed, and it will make troubleshooting easier for potential problems. Once Windows is running it will be easy enough to plug the SSD back in.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #44 on: Aug 18, 2017, 12:29 PM »
This  latest SSD is "what if" the M2 faults or has some other problem.  Being solid state the SSD can go anywhere with velcro, I don't see any reason why it has to be in the back. But your point about leaving it unplugged is a good suggestion.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #45 on: Aug 18, 2017, 12:49 PM »
I have a feeling the M.2 will work out just fine. I never thought about using Velcro. Good thinking.  ;)

Make sure you have the chipset drivers installed and updated before "testing" the onboard graphics, as the onboard graphics are dependent on the chipset. Other related drivers/updates may be needed as well, such as the Intel Graphics Accelerator driver. On the initial boot into Windows the graphics will leave a little to be desired, so don't let it catch you off guard.

FWIW: I downloaded the latest drivers/software directly from ASUS, as the provided disc is normally already outdated.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #46 on: Aug 18, 2017, 02:45 PM »
Thanks, did you use the chipset drivers on the disk or did Asus have those as well?
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #47 on: Aug 18, 2017, 02:47 PM »
I did not use anything from the disc. I downloaded everything directly from ASUS.

I recommend against installing the ASUS Ai utility software; assuming it's still an option. It's nothing more than bloated crap.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #48 on: Aug 18, 2017, 04:31 PM »
Good idea. It's obviously been a while since I've done this.   Your help is appreciated.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #49 on: Aug 18, 2017, 11:53 PM »
Here's the ASUS support link to downloads for your motherboard:

ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING/AURA BIOS/Software/Drivers


I'm not entirely sure what Aura V1.05.16 is, or that you need it, but it looks similar to the Ai utility crapware I complained of earlier. I'd put it to the side for now and then forget you have it.

I'm at a loss as to why ASUS feels the need to create software that does nothing more than bog down the works.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #50 on: Aug 19, 2017, 07:32 AM »
I believe it has something to do with the LEDs on the front of the m/b.  Not particularly a fan of flashing lights on a computer, although they seem to be popular with others. Thanks for the link.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #51 on: Aug 19, 2017, 09:28 AM »
Ah, yes. There's more if you click the "See All Downlods" link under "Utilities". That's where I saw the Ai software (Version 1.01.40) and wrongly attributed to Aura V1.05.16.

Either way, what I learned from my experience is that unless you're confident you need it, then you're better off without it. Even the process of installing and eventually uninstalling ASUS Ai was a total nightmare.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #52 on: Aug 21, 2017, 05:40 PM »
Tracking info on the cooler from Hong Kong shows it should be here in a couple days.  It arrived in the states yesterday.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #53 on: Aug 25, 2017, 01:39 PM »
I've started. As an aside, it looks like this version of the Fractal has raised mounts for the SSD, maybe 1/4". 
Do you recall, there is a wire bundle installed in the case, some of them are front/top USB, etc., but there look to be wires with connectors for the optical drive already in place?

I have to say, so far this case is well thought out, the Seasonic packaging was impressive, as was the stuff that came from Hong Kong.  Lots of overkill.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #54 on: Aug 25, 2017, 02:14 PM »
That's great news on the SSD mount. It's nice to know the problem was addressed. Still, I really like your idea of mounting the SSD using Velcro. Even if you mount it to the back plate, the Velcro would still make servicing the SSD very easy. I wish I had thought of that, but I will keep it in mind if I ever find myself having to remove the SSD. I hope it's something I'll never have to do, as it would currently involve removing the mobo. It could also involve removing both PSU & mobo from my wife's system, depending on which of the two mounted SSD units needs servicing.

As for the bundled wiring, I only recall connectors for the USB, audio/microphone, and case fans, along with the standard mobo connectors.

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #55 on: Aug 26, 2017, 09:05 AM »
I hope all is going well for your new build. Got my fingers crossed for you, despite the arthritis!  ;D

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #56 on: Aug 26, 2017, 10:32 AM »
When I quit yesterday, all remaining is to mount the cooler and M2 and then tackle the wiring.  But as far as I can tell the only SATA cable is for the optical drive.  I think the connections I asked about yesterday are for the USB 2 & 3 front ports.  I had a minor problem seating the CPU and it's restraint and I hope I didn't do any damage, have my fingers crossed.  I understand it's easy to bend the pins.

I should get to the software later.
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #57 on: Aug 26, 2017, 02:19 PM »
I'm somewhat confused about the SATA cable. Did the motherboard come with a single SATA cable as an accessory? Or does the case have a SATA cable as part of the internal wiring? If it's part of the case wiring, then I can't imagine what its purpose would be other than to feed an external SATA connector. My case does not have such a feature.

Unless you were brutal with the CPU, bent pins are visible and are normally easy to correct with a bit of care. If you in fact had bent pins, you would not have been able to fully seat the CPU.

I'm still hoping all goes well and I'm looking forward to your report. :)

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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #58 on: Aug 27, 2017, 08:52 AM »
Thanks, I hadn't considered all that, maybe I was lucky.  The CPU is seated properly now. The connectors I asked about are a puzzle, there is one long flat one that looks like SATA but isn't.  There are 3 odd shaped ones, sort of fan connector looking, all on very short wires.  I haven't found a use for any of them.  No matter, I have it together but haven't turned it on yet.  I have a few pictures to poast shortly. 

The M2 SSD was a shock, it is maybe an inch wide and 2.5" long.  I was expecting something much bigger.  The mounting screw is smaller than a standard HD mounting screw ands fits into a standoff on the M/B securing the loose end of the M2.  It was a bit difficult.
The front panel connectors gave me fits, they're poorly marked and I am not at all certain any of them are right, we'll see.

I decided to mount the EVO SSD on the rear mount as you did but I had a SATA cable with straight ends and was able to use a middle connector on the power cable that feeds the optical drive, and it all fit, tightly but they fit with out modifying the SSD mount.

More to come......
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Re: thinking about new build
« Reply #59 on: Aug 27, 2017, 09:22 AM »
Much too dark but you get the idea.....





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